Shakespeare 2016
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NWS offices are very cheap when it comes to handing out EF4 ratings. I am surprised even one of the tornadoes got rated EF4.
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Theres Nothing to suggest thatI have strong doubts that any of the Omaha CWA ratings will be changed.
And you'd know this, how?Theres Nothing to suggest that
He doesn’t. It’s the same Guy that said the Dickson tornado was just a “tree eater” and that’s what was causing its debris ballAnd you'd know this, how?
Home with anchor bolts (poured concrete basement with stem walls) looks to have been swept away in Minden.
Home with anchor bolts (poured concrete basement with stem walls) looks to have been swept away in Minden.
Apologies if these posts were already shared, can't recall.
It’s a combination of poor construction AND overly-conservative damage surveying. We’ll see how this shakes out, but there’s a solid chance, like usual, that a few EF4-deserving tornadoes fall short of that designation when all is said and done.Do 99.9% of the homes in America fail at EF3 winds? Someone correct me if I’m wrong because I’m not an expert on this stuff, but It seems like the last few EF4s weren’t rated as such because of damage to homes, but other buildings. Like the flower shop at Rolling Fork.
Pretty frustrating isn't it. The last tornado to be rated an EF4 before the Marietta tornado in the US was Keota, Iowa on March 31, 2023.It’s a combination of poor construction AND overly-conservative damage surveying. We’ll see how this shakes out, but there’s a solid chance, like usual, that a few EF4-deserving tornadoes fall short of that designation when all is said and done.
The context works heavily against rating the Minden tornado higher - the neighbouring house has barely more than EF1 damage at greatest. The big question is - how did the destroyed house actually fail?Uh yeah, that’s violent damage. Thinking both Elkhorn And Minden both deserve EF4 ratings at this stage. Maybe Sulphur too, but I’m not as confident about that one.
Edit: Sounds like Sulphur is high-end EF3. I’m fine with that honestly. 160 for Minden though?? Hmmmm idk about that, especially with the DOW measurements. Also it is probably not going to sit well with me if Elkhorn isn’t upgraded either.
Yeah, I thought about the context thing, but I can’t help but think this could be one of those rare situations where the “compact spot of violent damage from a sub vortex” thing could actually apply. Trust me, I’m all about using context to upgrade and downgrade, but given the nature of this specific tornado, the other potential explanation isn’t unreasonable.The context works heavily against rating the Minden tornado higher - the neighbouring house has barely more than EF1 damage at greatest. The big question is - how did the destroyed house actually fail?
That said, 160 - are they using the new revised speeds which lowered the low bound 5 mph? To allow WFOs to even more egregiously underrate tornadoes?
A tight damage gradient like that can actually mean a more intense tornado at times (or just erratic damage patterns from multiple vortices).The context works heavily against rating the Minden tornado higher - the neighbouring house has barely more than EF1 damage at greatest. The big question is - how did the destroyed house actually fail?
That said, 160 - are they using the new revised speeds which lowered the low bound 5 mph? To allow WFOs to even more egregiously underrate tornadoes?
Exactly!Because the government says that this event was just short of your expectation and they control eveything. SO if it is an EF3 at 160 or EF4 at 170 that is not your concern....and we should have ALREADY become accustomed to this, with ALL of the extensive debates over the past 10 to 13 years.
Wow. Was that on the DAT?I guess this was rated EF3 by NWS Omaha?