warneagle
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I think something similar happened during the Joplin tornado (maybe in the hospital parking lot? don't quote me on that)
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jiharris0220
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If it wasn’t for NWS Jackson then the Rolling Fork tornado likely would’ve been left alone with the 170 rating.
Which in all honesty, I would’ve been completely fine with. Goes to show how thorough they were.
Which in all honesty, I would’ve been completely fine with. Goes to show how thorough they were.
Tanner
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There is absolutely zero chance this gets slapped with a low-balled rating such as EF3. The absolute outcry would be the most enormous for a tornado rating in the modern damage assessments, and that isn’t pie in the sky.
I can see a minimum of EF4 here, let’s have hope for the shear sake of science. Plus, the lack of QRT could be conclusive from the transparency of violent damage and not because of ignorance.
I can see a minimum of EF4 here, let’s have hope for the shear sake of science. Plus, the lack of QRT could be conclusive from the transparency of violent damage and not because of ignorance.
tornado examiner
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The aftermath has qualities of imfamous violent plains tornadoes…the likes of Moore, el-Reno ‘11, and others. mud blasting, mangled completely debarked trees, slabs everywhere, fields reduced to mud, and vehicles ripped to pieces.
Shakespeare 2016
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I hope your right. I was 25 when the Westminste. TX, 2006 tornado happened and it was slapped with a high-end F3. Even before the tornado got rated I already knew it was going to happen because it was happening quite frequently.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I assume the QRT primarily consists of teams of engineers? Maybe, just maybe NWS Lubbock is actually pushing back against the "strictly engineering" approach that has dominated tornado damage surveys post-Moore, by not calling them in. But that's just speculative, wishful thinking on my part...
atrainguy
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I was kinda wondering that myself. Like you said, though - probably wishful thinking.
This is why precedent is so important, and why Vilonia was the beginning of the end of the "golden years" for the EF scale era. When a tornado is rated too low, you just know it makes other NWS employees who do know how to apply the scale properly, second guess their own rating decisions, and the next time they have a significant tornado in their WFO, there's a good chance they will rate it lower than they would have had they not been exposed to bad surveys.
Conversely, when you have a rating like Rolling Fork, that sends the message of "If you have damage that looks exceptionally violent, then apply a rating that corresponds with it, don't overthink it, and don't be afraid of getting high up on the scale. It's not that big of a deal".
Bad ratings spawn more bad ratings, and good rating spawn more good ratings. We'll see what happens...
I’m not sure they need a QRT when Tim Marshall and Jim LaDue themselves were chasing the tornado.
tornado examiner
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Just as long as the tornado isn’t stuck with an ef3 rating…
OHWX97
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@WesL @StormStalker Given the significance of the severe weather that occurred on Wednesday, would it be possible to move the discussion into a separate thread?
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Sawmaster
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When their actions have shown a complete disregard for the obvious, they are not and cannot be "experts".
Shakespeare 2016
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I highly agree. I don't have a meteorology degree but I will tell you I have been studying tornado damage for 20+ years so I think I have at least some idea on how tornadoes are rated. The contextual damage from the Matador, TX tornado damage is at bare minimum high-end EF4.
tornado examiner
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Yup…let’s just hope they don’t get to have the excuse of “no anchoring, poor construction quality” this time…I’m sure at least one of the slabbed homes was properly anchored. Specially the 2 story masonry home that appeared to have had its foundation damaged or something.
I don't really know much about how these threads work, so sorry if this isn't possible or not part of the thread creation rules, but I'm wondering if it would be good to have a separate thread for this tornado, considering it was likely exceptionally violent?
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June 21st 2023 Madator TX Tornado Discussion
I don't really know much about how these threads work, so sorry if this isn't possible or not part of the thread creation rules, but I'm wondering if it would be good to have a separate thread for this tornado, considering it was likely exceptionally violent? Done! This shall be the discussion...
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atrainguy
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It's been posted about a couple times in the main thread.
tornado examiner
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Am I missing something? This thread hasn’t updated for me in a while…
tornado examiner
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Never mind I got it
Avon
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Cams have a nice bow echo going through Michigan Sunday afternoon hopefully that's locked in