warneagle
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I think something similar happened during the Joplin tornado (maybe in the hospital parking lot? don't quote me on that)Those concrete bollards being snapped and blown over is wild. I've never seen that before
I think something similar happened during the Joplin tornado (maybe in the hospital parking lot? don't quote me on that)Those concrete bollards being snapped and blown over is wild. I've never seen that before
The aftermath has qualities of imfamous violent plains tornadoes…the likes of Moore, el-Reno ‘11, and others. mud blasting, mangled completely debarked trees, slabs everywhere, fields reduced to mud, and vehicles ripped to pieces.There is absolutely zero chance this gets slapped with a low-balled rating such as EF3. The absolute outcry would be the most enormous for a tornado rating in the modern damage assessments, and that isn’t pie in the sky.
I can see a minimum of EF4 here, let’s have hope for the shear sake of science. Plus, the lack of QRT could be conclusive from the transparency of violent damage and not because of ignorance.
I hope your right. I was 25 when the Westminste. TX, 2006 tornado happened and it was slapped with a high-end F3. Even before the tornado got rated I already knew it was going to happen because it was happening quite frequently.There is absolutely zero chance this gets slapped with a low-balled rating such as EF3. The absolute outcry would be the most enormous for a tornado rating in the modern damage assessments, and that isn’t pie in the sky.
I can see a minimum of EF4 here, let’s have hope for the shear sake of science. Plus, the lack of QRT could be conclusive from the transparency of violent damage and not because of ignorance.
I was kinda wondering that myself. Like you said, though - probably wishful thinking.Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I assume the QRT primarily consists of teams of engineers? Maybe, just maybe NWS Lubbock is actually pushing back against the "strictly engineering" approach that has dominated tornado damage surveys post-Moore, by not calling them in. But that's just speculative, wishful thinking on my part...
This is why precedent is so important, and why Vilonia was the beginning of the end of the "golden years" for the EF scale era. When a tornado is rated too low, you just know it makes other NWS employees who do know how to apply the scale properly, second guess their own rating decisions, and the next time they have a significant tornado in their WFO, there's a good chance they will rate it lower than they would have had they not been exposed to bad surveys.If it wasn’t for NWS Jackson then the Rolling Fork tornado likely would’ve been left alone with the 170 rating.
Which in all honesty, I would’ve been completely fine with. Goes to show how thorough they were.
When their actions have shown a complete disregard for the obvious, they are not and cannot be "experts".I'm probably letting cynicism get the best of me, but sometimes I just have no faith in the people who are supposed to be the experts.
I highly agree. I don't have a meteorology degree but I will tell you I have been studying tornado damage for 20+ years so I think I have at least some idea on how tornadoes are rated. The contextual damage from the Matador, TX tornado damage is at bare minimum high-end EF4.When their actions have shown a complete disregard for the obvious, they are not and cannot be "experts".
Yup…let’s just hope they don’t get to have the excuse of “no anchoring, poor construction quality” this time…I’m sure at least one of the slabbed homes was properly anchored. Specially the 2 story masonry home that appeared to have had its foundation damaged or something.I highly agree. I don't have a meteorology degree but I will tell you I have been studying tornado damage for 20+ years so I think I have at least some idea on how tornadoes are rated. The contextual damage from the Matador, TX tornado damage is at bare minimum high-end EF4.
I don't really know much about how these threads work, so sorry if this isn't possible or not part of the thread creation rules, but I'm wondering if it would be good to have a separate thread for this tornado, considering it was likely exceptionally violent?
It's been posted about a couple times in the main thread.So um…we are aware of the violent looking damage near Grenada Colorado right?
Am I missing something? This thread hasn’t updated for me in a while…It's been posted about a couple times in the main thread.