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Kory
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gangstonc
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It definitely shows the fbi was flawed, but it does not show the bias that Trump promised we would see.
Evan
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It is beyond bad faith for a journalist to suggest Comey investigated Clinton for "the same thing" he did. That is 100% false, and you'd have to be unaware of both the IG's report and the details of the investigation to say so. Which, coincidently, is exactly why Hillary AND Trumpers are both trying to claim it was the same thing when it isn't even remotely similar or comparable unless you are being supremely dishonest. A shocker, right? Can't believe a Clinton or Trumpers would be so dishonest.
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I still can't believe we have trumpers or clintoners...
ARCC
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I think it is amazing how people like this keep a job, keep getting elected and stay out of prison. It's like them saying constantly saying "Yeah we are horrible at our job, we take bribes, commit crimes, but our intent isn't to do these things so we don't deserve bad consequences."
Washington really is a different world than what the rest of us live in.
Evan
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Elected? Who are you referring to?
Kory
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OMG. I hope the Democrats keep running on platforms like this forever. This is amazingly stupid.
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Yeah, that's incredibly stupid. It would clearly be more effective to pipe it through the sprinkler system than to put cans in "Break Glass in Case of Emergency" containers!
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wait.........that's real.
ARCC
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No one specificly, but it the vein of Clinton and likely Weiner in the future. One did a crime that would get the average American in jail for a long time and the other did a crime and got a slap on the wrist and probably will be in politics in the future despite the many insults that would come.
Kory
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Evan
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http://amp.slate.com/news-and-polit...irregularities.html?__twitter_impression=true
Trump admin planning to start stripping naturalized citizens of their citizenship and then deporting for "lacking valid immigration status."
As we've seen repeatedly, the Trump is no longer prioritizing the removal of those charged with serious crimes. Now, the first priority is skin color and nationality. If you are a White European your deportation order is ignored. If you are Latin, Muslim, or Black - - even unpaid traffic tickets will get you deported after 20 years of legal residency.
I keep trying to find a historical comparison for a time when immigrants and certain ethnic groups were scapegoated by a government that put them in camps, separated them from their families etc. Anyone know when something similar happened? Surely people didn't support it back then, and surely the propaganda didn't convince them that their neighbor was evil, did it?
Trump admin planning to start stripping naturalized citizens of their citizenship and then deporting for "lacking valid immigration status."
As we've seen repeatedly, the Trump is no longer prioritizing the removal of those charged with serious crimes. Now, the first priority is skin color and nationality. If you are a White European your deportation order is ignored. If you are Latin, Muslim, or Black - - even unpaid traffic tickets will get you deported after 20 years of legal residency.
I keep trying to find a historical comparison for a time when immigrants and certain ethnic groups were scapegoated by a government that put them in camps, separated them from their families etc. Anyone know when something similar happened? Surely people didn't support it back then, and surely the propaganda didn't convince them that their neighbor was evil, did it?
gangstonc
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It’s anazing to me that asylum seekers are being stripped of their children. That’s not against the law.
The current state of politics makes me think the current batch of old people is broken. Old people vote the most and are in power and are screwing it all up.
The current state of politics makes me think the current batch of old people is broken. Old people vote the most and are in power and are screwing it all up.
Kory
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Reminds me of the internment of the Japanese by President Roosevelt. Policy driven by ignorance, irrationality, prejudice, and supported by citizenry who were riled up by fear-mongering.
And what is with the excuse that it’s up to the Democrats to fix the immigration laws? That’s a cop out. America elected the Republican majority and Republican President because they wanted legitimate policy change and not just slapped together, bandaid fixes.
And what is with the excuse that it’s up to the Democrats to fix the immigration laws? That’s a cop out. America elected the Republican majority and Republican President because they wanted legitimate policy change and not just slapped together, bandaid fixes.
gangstonc
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Trump is happy to keep this controversy going because it drowns out the Russia news.
Evan
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European, Latin, and Asian countries should place sanctions on all Trump admin officials involved in the family separation debacle. Travel ban, freeze assets, and bring criminal cases before the International Criminal Court.
Terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
It is unlawful under several international agreements & treaties signed/ratified by the United States to treat asylum seekers and migrants in this fashion. The policies being enacted are clearly being done so to intimidate civilians, and are backed by armed agents of the government.
Besides, wouldn't doing so be in the "national security" interests of countries and their allies that have had citizens detained in this fashion? If that rationale works for "tariffs" then why not use the same rationale for sanctions and criminal charges of terrorism? Who can complain? It's just a negotiating tactic.
Terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
It is unlawful under several international agreements & treaties signed/ratified by the United States to treat asylum seekers and migrants in this fashion. The policies being enacted are clearly being done so to intimidate civilians, and are backed by armed agents of the government.
Besides, wouldn't doing so be in the "national security" interests of countries and their allies that have had citizens detained in this fashion? If that rationale works for "tariffs" then why not use the same rationale for sanctions and criminal charges of terrorism? Who can complain? It's just a negotiating tactic.
Evan
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Listen to the entire audio. Audio from inside a facility after young children were recently separated from their parents.
https://www.propublica.org/article/...ial&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1529351580
The unspeakable and permanently damaging cruelty being done to these children is almost indescribable. Terrorism is the only way to adequately describe it.
Oh, you say, it is the parent's fault for trying to escape gang violence or political prosecution. Immigration advocacy groups and immigration attorneys have reported only a tiny handful of adults separated from their children had ever heard of family separation, and even then they believed it didn't apply to asylum claims like their own.
As we saw during the unaccompanied minor fiasco during the Obama administration, the coyotes and "helpers" along immigration routes downplay the risks to potential migrants. These aren't people who read daily newspapers or have a Twitter account following prominent journalists. They have no idea what fate awaits their children and themselves.
They are told their children are being taken for a bath, a meal, or to receive medical care. Not allowed to say goodbye or even assure their children everything will be OK. It shouldn't offend anyone to know that the Nazis used similar tricks to gas family members of Jews, Gypsys, etc.
https://www.propublica.org/article/...ial&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1529351580
The unspeakable and permanently damaging cruelty being done to these children is almost indescribable. Terrorism is the only way to adequately describe it.
Oh, you say, it is the parent's fault for trying to escape gang violence or political prosecution. Immigration advocacy groups and immigration attorneys have reported only a tiny handful of adults separated from their children had ever heard of family separation, and even then they believed it didn't apply to asylum claims like their own.
As we saw during the unaccompanied minor fiasco during the Obama administration, the coyotes and "helpers" along immigration routes downplay the risks to potential migrants. These aren't people who read daily newspapers or have a Twitter account following prominent journalists. They have no idea what fate awaits their children and themselves.
They are told their children are being taken for a bath, a meal, or to receive medical care. Not allowed to say goodbye or even assure their children everything will be OK. It shouldn't offend anyone to know that the Nazis used similar tricks to gas family members of Jews, Gypsys, etc.
Evan
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Does anyone have proof of 5 year old Guatemalans viciously murdering someone? No, of course not.
Just more eugenics disguised as policy.
The real victims are not Jews being burned in crematorium. The real victims are fellow Germans suffering due to the disease and havoc perpetrated by the Jewish plague.
Only this White House and Trump would think children aren't innocent victims. What a freaking world.
Kory
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Ted Cruz has introduced legislation to alleviate this immigration crisis.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/18/ted-cruz-immigrant-families-together-border-texas/
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/18/ted-cruz-immigrant-families-together-border-texas/
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