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This thread dying out is a good example of how Trump fatigue and a sense of hopelessness is crushing the spirits of everyone who knows Trump is unstable, unqualified, and a menace to the health of our country. It will have to get a loss worse before it gets better.
 

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This thread dying out is a good example of how Trump fatigue and a sense of hopelessness is crushing the spirits of everyone who knows Trump is unstable, unqualified, and a menace to the health of our country. It will have to get a loss worse before it gets better.
I think we are all becoming numb to his braggadocio, dishonesty, and recklessness behavior. And the fact that the Dems probably have no viable candidate that a conservative leaning independent like myself and others can support most probably means that he will be in office 6 more years. The Dems remind me biblically of the children of Israel wandering through the wilderness without a Moses.
 

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I think we are all becoming numb to his braggadocio, dishonesty, and recklessness behavior. And the fact that the Dems probably have no viable candidate that a conservative leaning independent like myself and others can support most probably means that he will be in office 6 more years. The Dems remind me biblically of the children of Israel wandering through the wilderness without a Moses.

Exactly.
 

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What are your thoughts on the illegal/undocumented immigration problem on the south border of the U.S.? I am conflicted on this and am torn between prudence and compassion. How do you achieve both in the best manner? I don't see a clear answer to this problem. I do feel strongly that children and their parents should never be separated in the process.
 

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What are your thoughts on the illegal/undocumented immigration problem on the south border of the U.S.? I am conflicted on this and am torn between prudence and compassion. How do you achieve both in the best manner? I don't see a clear answer to this problem. I do feel strongly that children and their parents should never be separated in the process.
It's about WAY more than illegal immigration. The number of women and young boys and girls (sometimes we're talking about kids under 10) trafficked over the border to be used in the sex trade industry is absolutely horrific and we have politicians turning a blind eye to it. Do we enforce laws at the border in an attempt to stop smuggling of humans to be used in a deplorable industry that is continually growing? Or do we continue to allow modern-day slavery? We're not talking about a few people...we're talking about tens of thousands. Often, they're crammed into the backs of tractor-trailers succumbing to lack of oxygen/hyperthermia. But hey, let's make toddlers appear in court or let's abolish ICE. Who needs borders and laws anyway?

http://ideaexchange.uakron.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1052&context=akronlawreview

http://www.gems-girls.org/Estes Wiener 2001.pdf
 

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"Latest defense: 14 separate members of Trump's campaign were tricked into taking 87 contacts and 26 meetings without informing law enforcement, then lying repeatedly, as a plot to undermine his candidacy by people who kept it secret until after he won."
 

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With regards to the AG report released yesterday, the Catholic Church needs a purge. And it starts at the top. We have some absolutely wicked, evil, and demonic forces working within the Church.

I shudder at the thought of this being an investigation of just ONE diocese. The abuse scandal is not behind us. It is still ongoing...and being covered up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/catholic-priests-pennsylvania-church-jury.html
 

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This isn't merciful. This is turning a blind eye on abuse. This is allowing it to fester and grow. Please Pope Francis, rebuke us more on climate change.

Pope Francis has quietly reduced sanctions against a handful of pedophile priests, applying his vision of a merciful church even to its worst offenders in ways that survivors of abuse and the pope’s own advisers question.

One case has come back to haunt him: An Italian priest who received the pope’s clemency was later convicted by an Italian criminal court for his sex crimes against children as young as 12. The Rev. Mauro Inzoli is now facing a second church trial after new evidence emerged against him, The Associated Press has learned.

https://apnews.com/64e1fc2312764a24...tly-trims-sanctions-sex-abusers-seeking-mercy
 

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The President's longtime personal attorney, Michael Cohen, has surrendered to the FBI and is soon to plead guilt in Federal Court to multiple felonies -- including, but not limited to, campaign finance violations. In addition to being Trump's longtime personal attorney, Cohen played an integral role in the Trump Presidential campaign, and was also made the Deputy Finance Chair of the Republican Party.

Odd witch hunt considering all these Trump friends/campaign aides/WH employees keep pleading GUILTY to serious crimes. The Paul Manafort verdict is expected in the next 24 hours and could come as early as today. The jury has apparently sent a note to the Judge asking for clarification on the procedure if they have disagreement about a single count of the 18 counts that Manafort was indicted for. The most likely result is that the jury will either reach a consensus of guilty on all 18 charges, or a split verdict will be returned with a guilty verdict on most charges and a limited (likely a single count) that the jury will be unable to reach a verdict on. The government would then have to decide whether to retry Manafort on any "hung" charge -- but remember, Manafort has another trial coming up in DC in just a few weeks.

The corruption of the Trump administration, Donald Trump, his family, and his companies is unprecedented. This is a stunning moment in American history.
 

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Donald Trump promised to only hire the best people:

 

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Manafort convicted on 8 counts. Likely a compromise verdict due to heavy technical nature of case and Judge's constant pressure to hurry the case process.
 

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Evan, we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this. You have your opinion and I have mine. You seem more than willing to see the deep state and establishment execute a soft coup against a legitimately elected president. How much more liberty and freedom are you willing to lose ? How many more trillions of dollars can we add to the debt ? Do you think John Kasich would have been any different than Obama or Hillary ? This is madness and it is getting out of hand. The attacks on trump will never end. Not until they force him to resign and then they start all over again on Pence. Go for it man!

Michael Cohen, the President's former personal attorney and high level campaign fixer has plead guilty to campaign finance violations that he committed to INFLUENCE THE ELECTION, and did so at the DIRECTION OF THE CANDIDATE.



It is no longer my opinion, Matt. Trump is implicated in serious crimes. Someone has pled guilty to those crimes. He must resign or be impeached.
 

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It looks like Mueller is the only one who is truly draining the swamp in D.C.
 
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We are always told that "WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL" don't you understand in reference to illegally crossing the border -- a criminal violation punishable by 6 months or less in prison, and a minimal fine. The two campaign finance felonies that Cohen plead guilty to, and said that the President directed him to commit, are punishable by up to 5 years in prison on each count, and up to a 250k fine on each count. I'm told that the campaign finance felonies "are so small they really aren't even a crime" by the same people that want illegal border crossers shot on sight for a minor violation of federal law.

It isn't about law and order and it never has been. It is about race, culture, and political partisanship. How can the President demand the maximum punishment for people that committed a minor criminal violation (a misdemeanor) yet float a pardon for Paul Manafort (who will receive, effectively, a life sentence unless he flips), and argue that his own criminal activities are so minor that it really shouldn't even be considered a crime, flipping on people isn't fair (and should possibly be illegal), and this is all a witch hunt?

President Trump has debased the office of the Presidency to such an extent that I doubt it will ever recover its prior prestige. He has also so debased and eroded our reputation and policies abroad, that there is zero chance that the United States will ever again be able to claim the moral leadership we once had.

I hope it was worth it.
 

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I don't really understand what the hold up is. Everyone knows Trump is going to be forced to resign or impeached (potentially not convicted) and politically neutered.

My guess is the GOP wants to get Kavanaugh confirmed and make it through the mid-terms. Then, I believe, the dam is going to burst. Until then, it is going to be a steady drip drip drip of people flipping on Trump, bad news for Trump, more legal activity by Mueller et all, etc.

The big thing to watch for is how quickly does the GOP reach the calculus that Trump is going down no matter what. They can allow the whole party to go down with him (and it may be a fait acompli anyway) or test the waters and buck him on some issue. I belive the latter is more likely, but some will definitely still stick with him until the bitter end. Once they buck him on an issue or two, and it becomes evident his tweets and rants don't impact their political prospects as much as they feared (or as they previously had actually been impacted by), that's when the dam becomes structurally unsound. From that point, it won't take much for it is burst. Obviously, the question is over how long does all this play out? The longer it takes the more it harms the country and the more destructive it ends up being to the GOP. The latter deserve their fate, but the country can't wait much longer before the cumulative irreparable harm ends our Republic as we once knew it.
 
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