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[WBB]

Hmm.  Let's complicate this more by kidnapping.  

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David in SW Blount, on 24 March 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

Reprehensible that people are trying to make this yet another issue of political polarization.  The "blame the victim" stuff is surreal - what was he doing walking around wearing a hoodie, etc. Please.  I wear hoodies when I get cold.

No one should be excusing this Zimmerman whack job, and the evidence is strong that race was a motivating factor.  Anyone who thinks that Black people aren't still subject to racial profiling is living in LaLa Land.  I remember working at a Winn-Dixie grocery store in Harahan, LA (New Orleans suburb) as a teen, and EVERY time a Black person walked into the store, the managers instructed one or two of us to follow them (because what was a Black person doing in Harahan aside from something criminal?).  I'm sure that kind of stuff is still happening in many places.

So true, racial profiling is still alive and kicking today and its unfortunate.

[ams30721us]

Stormlover, on 24 March 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

Anyone putting out awards or "dead or alive" posters, should be charged with terrorists threats. We saw the Black Panthers get nothing but a slap on the wrist for what they did in Philadelphia last election, and they feel that Holder and Obama will not do a thing to them. Race baiting and taking advantage of the situation to flame things will never end for some.

I beg to differ. They should just say its self defense....Its typical for the police not to investigate further than that statement correct?  Hey if Zimmerman shows up dead I am fine with that statement. Btw if he is shot then I would expect the gunman to be able to go home with his murder weapon also...Since hey its okay...

[NathansGal]

Making death threats does NOT help the protesters side....that's why I hate it's come to this, something else is going to happen if people don't keep their eyes on the main situation and that's a kid was allegedly killed for no reason other than being a black kid with a hoodie (unless this is proven otherwise...PROVEN)....attention has NOW been gained, people are being investigated, it's now time to let the law to handle this....no more threats and protests, everyone needs to try and unite for the fact that justice needs to be served by a very in depth and fair investigation....

[ams30721us]

WBB, on 24 March 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

Hmm.  Let's complicate this more by kidnapping.  

I think you can thank the Sanford Police department for the complications. Bringing no justice to Trayvon for his murder is just absurd. Having to get all these people involved before things are set in motion is what is causing this to be complicated. When you can kill a child with a gun and just go home with the murder weapon makes things complicated.

[ams30721us]

NathansGal, on 24 March 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

Making death threats does NOT help the protesters side....that's why I hate it's come to this, something else is going to happen if people don't keep their eyes on the main situation and that's a kid was allegedly killed for no reason other than being a black kid with a hoodie (unless this is proven otherwise...PROVEN)....attention has NOW been gained, people are being investigated, it's now time to let the law to handle this....no more threats and protests, everyone needs to try and unite for the fact that justice needs to be served by a very in depth and fair investigation....

I am not a violent person but I decided not to participate in the Florida protest for the only reason of I am currently nowhere near as calm as those people are. This is down right despicable. The evidence clearly shows this and the fact NO action has been taken yet even at this time is just crazy. I am proud to see the PEACEFUL demonstrations and gatherings continue esp. since this would be still be under a rug had it not been for the grassroot organization.

[ams30721us]

Stormlover, on 24 March 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

Anyone putting out awards or "dead or alive" posters, should be charged with terrorists threats. We saw the Black Panthers get nothing but a slap on the wrist for what they did in Philadelphia last election, and they feel that Holder and Obama will not do a thing to them. Race baiting and taking advantage of the situation to flame things will never end for some.

So I guess most Americans who were passing these around and making these threats to Osama Bin Laden after 9=11 should be also. I mean last I check they just wanted justice also.

[ams30721us]

Cyclogent, on 24 March 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Zimmerman and his attorney speak up

New Black Panthers offer $10,000 reward for capture of Zimmerman, and call for 5,000 men to find him


The mainstream media offering more coverage, but this latest "hate wave" and generalization/stereotyping of segments of our society based on their race was triggered by CNN as they were the FIRST to mention race by asking highly controversial questions on live TV.  Death threats have reportedly been directed towards Zimmerman, his attorney, and the investigating officers and the Chief of the Sanford police department.  The NBPP has not ruled out violence as part of their planned protest.  This could get ugly.  

By the way AMS, good to you see you post on the forum again...what do you think of our April frost/freeze(and uh oh maybe a flurry too) chances?


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I have to applaud CNN for being the first network to tell the truth. I mean the evidence clearly shows this was a racial shooting. The kid was shot for being black. The more nothing is done is this horrific debacle by the Police the more this could get ugly. This week they are expecting over 100,000 down at the protest. Eventually things could get ugly and the Sanford Police can blame themselves.

Btw... I think the chances are looking pretty good for a decent frost. I am waiting to see a little more consistency but the chances are def. around for a little more.

[WBB]

ams30721us, on 24 March 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

I think you can thank the Sanford Police department for the complications. Bringing no justice to Trayvon for his murder is just absurd. Having to get all these people involved before things are set in motion is what is causing this to be complicated. When you can kill a child with a gun and just go home with the murder weapon makes things complicated.

Kidnapping is a federal crime.  The federal authorities are doing what needs to be done.  People need to let them do their job.

[ams30721us]

WBB, on 24 March 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

Kidnapping is a federal crime.  The federal authorities are doing what needs to be done.  People need to let them do their job.

its about time they did, Thanks to the outraged protesters and national activist.  Lets be clear they only JUST got involved..

[WBB]

ams30721us, on 24 March 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

its about time they did, Thanks to the outraged protesters and national activist.  Lets be clear they only JUST got involved..

But they are involved, so let them do their job.  Vigilantes kidnapping someone who has not been charged yet is not going to help anything.

[NathansGal]

ams30721us, on 24 March 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

I am not a violent person but I decided not to participate in the Florida protest for the only reason of I am currently nowhere near as calm as those people are. This is down right despicable. The evidence clearly shows this and the fact NO action has been taken yet even at this time is just crazy. I am proud to see the PEACEFUL demonstrations and gatherings continue esp. since this would be still be under a rug had it not been for the grassroot organization.

Why wouldn't you be calm? It wasn't your child or relative that was killed....see that's the thought process that drives me crazy. I hate that it's my race (white) that is the cause of most of the racism but I also hate how victims of racism or those representing them will take racism and use it for an excuse to act pissed at the world of whatever color the person(s) were that committed the crime. The shooter was hispanic, that's no reason to hate hispanics. The police chief is white, that's no reason to hate whites. I don't know how old you are but anyone that remembers the most recently painful time in America...it's the L.A. riots....blacks were mad at the white officers for beating an irate and drugged black man (he still DID NOT deserve the beating that he took) for being found innocent of the crime via the jury....instead of peacefully protesting, they basically beat up Asians, whites and other groups, destroyed people's businesses and tried to kill the white guy (Reginald Denny?) in that tractor trailer.....now what good that did do? It would have been wrong but made more sense to go after those officers BUT to hurt innocent people....so yes, calm is needed because it doesn't take much to ignite a riot...

I'm just saying, yes this needed attention and it was wrong but it would just be as wrong if the boy had been hispanic, asian or white....there needs to be various investigations (which are happening now) but death threats are not helping, enough with the protests and walking out of school or you're going to have a mob mentality....

So there needs to be a calm and soon before this gets out of hand....

[ams30721us]

WBB, on 24 March 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

But they are involved, so let them do their job.  Vigilantes kidnapping someone who has not been charged yet is not going to help anything.

Not doing anything for over a month is not helping. For some reason it seems to take this kind of pressure for people to do the job.

[WBB]

ams30721us, on 24 March 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Not doing anything for over a month is not helping. For some reason it seems to take this kind of pressure for people to do the job.

Obviously you are very angry about this.  Unfortunately they cannot go back and do things differently, so at least they are doing something now.  I would say that is a positive.  Getting 100,000 people down there is a recipe for disaster if you ask me, especially if they have the same amount of anger as you appear to have.

[ams30721us]

NathansGal, on 24 March 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Why wouldn't you be calm? It wasn't your child or relative that was killed....see that's the thought process that drives me crazy. I hate that it's my race (white) that is the cause of most of the racism but I also hate how victims of racism or those representing them will take racism and use it for an excuse to act pissed at the world of whatever color the person(s) were that committed the crime. The shooter was hispanic, that's no reason to hate hispanics. The police chief is white, that's no reason to hate whites. I don't know how old you are but anyone that remembers the most recently painful time in America...it's the L.A. riots....blacks were mad at the white officers for beating an irate and drugged black man (he still DID NOT deserve the beating that he took) for being found innocent of the crime via the jury....instead of peacefully protesting, they basically beat up Asians, whites and other groups, destroyed people's businesses and tried to kill the white guy (Reginald Denny?) in that tractor trailer.....now what good that did do? It would have been wrong but made more sense to go after those officers BUT to hurt innocent people....so yes, calm is needed because it doesn't take much to ignite a riot...

I'm just saying, yes this needed attention and it was wrong but it would just be as wrong if the boy had been hispanic, asian or white....there needs to be various investigations (which are happening now) but death threats are not helping, enough with the protests and walking out of school or you're going to have a mob mentality....

So there needs to be a calm and soon before this gets out of hand....

I listened to the 9-1-1 call of a ear witness who has the audio of Trayvon screaming for help several times before the shot that killed him. I think about the disrespect and utter speechless actions of the local authorities and how This boys mom had to find out her son was in the Morgue as a John Does because the police did not care to do enough of an investigation to even call this kids parents to let them know he is dead on the street.

I see how much the local authorities tried to cover this case up and the family had to even Sue Just to get the important evidence.

Lots of reasons why I am not calm. The simple fact that this has been treated with such malice is ridiculous.  The simple fact this would not get justice had it not been for the outrage is way to sad.

Do you see me or other black people outraged over what happened in Mississippi recently? No.  The outrage is not so much for the crime but the cover up.

[ams30721us]

WBB, on 24 March 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

Obviously you are very angry about this.  Unfortunately they cannot go back and do things differently, so at least they are doing something now.  I would say that is a positive.  Getting 100,000 people down there is a recipe for disaster if you ask me, especially if they have the same amount of anger as you appear to have.

I agree. But the obviously the Sanford police dept believe otherwise...

[Stormlover]

ams30721us, on 24 March 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Not doing anything for over a month is not helping. For some reason it seems to take this kind of pressure for people to do the job.

And continuing to ignore the only eye witness is very convenient. If you want the truth that is. I told you I had heard nothing to make me think the "watchman" was anything but all wrong until the story of the only eye witness came out. The story of the witness and the "watchman" matched up. That is why the police didn't arrest him, not because they didn't care about the boy being killed. I'm not defending the guy, just saying it is now clear there is more to the story than Rev. Al and Rev. Jesse care about knowing.

On a side note, now it seems the new fad is people posting pics of themselves with some type of hoodie on. Yeah,that's going to accomplish a lot.

Edited by Stormlover, 24 March 2012 - 08:53 PM.

[NathansGal]

ams30721us, on 24 March 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

I listened to the 9-1-1 call of a ear witness who has the audio of Trayvon screaming for help several times before the shot that killed him. I think about the disrespect and utter speechless actions of the local authorities and how This boys mom had to find out her son was in the Morgue as a John Does because the police did not care to do enough of an investigation to even call this kids parents to let them know he is dead on the street.

I see how much the local authorities tried to cover this case up and the family had to even Sue Just to get the important evidence.

Lots of reasons why I am not calm. The simple fact that this has been treated with such malice is ridiculous.  The simple fact this would not get justice had it not been for the outrage is way to sad.

Do you see me or other black people outraged over what happened in Mississippi recently? No.  The outrage is not so much for the crime but the cover up.

I can understand anger but have you ever thought about looking at it this way....an American child was killed....not just the fact he was black? We don't know what went on in the minds of those police, perhaps they would have fouled this up on an American child of any color..maybe they just suck as a police department, it has happened, inept people in authority and in the law....I think instead of instantly saying "it's because he's black"....perhaps look that this police department is not on the ball, are crooked and needs to be cleaned out and investigated because an AMERICAN child was killed....

Instead of color sides, unite as Americans for this situation....

I'm upset because this kid had his hoodie on to protect his head from the rain, he'd never caused trouble and he just had a snack with him....as a mother, seeing his football pictures and seeing that he seemed small for his age touches my heart....no matter what color he was, he was someone's baby, nephew, grandson, brother and friend and an AMERICAN....

[Stormlover]

WBB, on 24 March 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

Kidnapping is a federal crime.  The federal authorities are doing what needs to be done.  People need to let them do their job.

And announcing for someone to be taken dead or alive is also a crime, but will the Black Panthers be charged for terrorists threats? Just imagine if the Klan did the same, there would be a big difference.

Edited by Stormlover, 24 March 2012 - 08:57 PM.

[ams30721us]

Stormlover, on 24 March 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

And continuing to ignore the only eye witness is very convenient. If you want the truth that is. I told you I had heard nothing to make me think the "watchman" was anything but all wrong until the story of the only eye witness came out. The story of the witness and the "watchman" matched up. That is why the police didn't arrest him, not because they didn't care about the boy being killed.

On a side note, now it seems the new fad is people posting pics of themselves with some type of hoodie on. Yeah,that's going to accomplish a lot.

You really should not speak on this. Honesty.

The witness story does nothing to effect this. He only saw part of the scuffle and not even the shooting. Second you are forgetting all about the part where he chased the kid down at night with a freaking gun....of course their will be a scuffle and no thats not a self defense case as all the NRA backers are even saying. So good job trying to protect this guy. Join the SPD.  Btw the chief of police says now that Zimmerman told them he did not chase the kid and that the kid came out of nowhere while he was trying to get in his car! Sorry that is a flat lie and he says so on his 911 tape where he admits to following and chasing this kid down. please who cares what the witness says. Btw this was a guy who got interviewed right after the incident by the media...

[ams30721us]

Stormlover, on 24 March 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

And announcing for someone to be taken dead or alive is also a crime, but will the Black Panthers be charged for terrorists threats? Just imagine if the Klan did the same, there would be a big difference.

Just imagine if Americans did the same thing after 9-11 heck even a President! hahaha

[ams30721us]

NathansGal, on 24 March 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

I can understand anger but have you ever thought about looking at it this way....an American child was killed....not just the fact he was black? We don't know what went on in the minds of those police, perhaps they would have fouled this up on an American child of any color..maybe they just suck as a police department, it has happened, inept people in authority and in the law....I think instead of instantly saying "it's because he's black"....perhaps look that this police department is not on the ball, are crooked and needs to be cleaned out and investigated because an AMERICAN child was killed....

Instead of color sides, unite as Americans for this situation....

I'm upset because this kid had his hoodie on to protect his head from the rain, he'd never caused trouble and he just had a snack with him....as a mother, seeing his football pictures and seeing that he seemed small for his age touches my heart....no matter what color he was, he was someone's baby, nephew, grandson, brother and friend and an AMERICAN....

The problem is it has been proven that he was killed because he was black. Thats not a question its a fact. Zimmermans last 46 calls the past year to 9-1-1 and the call from that night shows the perfect example of racial profiling.

[Stormlover]

ams30721us, on 24 March 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Just imagine if Americans did the same thing after 9-11 heck even a President! hahaha

Your comparison is NOT funny, and really sick you'd compare 3000 people dying and a President going after who did it.

[NathansGal]

ams30721us, on 24 March 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

The problem is it has been proven that he was killed because he was black. Thats not a question its a fact. Zimmermans last 46 calls the past year to 9-1-1 and the call from that night shows the perfect example of racial profiling.

Okay.....that does happen in this world....it's wrong and it apparently came to a head in February when that boy was murdered....I'm just very, very worried about countless protests when everything is now brought to attention and is being investigated....I'm telling you ams, it can get ugly when people with their hearts and emotions get into large groups...I don't care what color they are, all it takes is a few that don't care but want a fight and it's goes ugly fast.....now it's time to pray for those looking into this to do what's right and make the right decisions....no other groups, especially outlaw groups like the Black Panthers...

I'm afraid this boy's family will be used to make points instead to bring justice....


I pray this goes well.....I don't want Americans to experience anything like in L.A. in the 90's.....

[NathansGal]

Stormlover, on 24 March 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Your comparison is NOT funny, and really sick you'd compare 3000 people dying and a President going after who did it.

I didn't realize that was what he was comparing....

Very low blow AMS....play fair!

[ams30721us]

Stormlover, on 24 March 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Your comparison is NOT funny, and really sick you'd compare 3000 people dying and a President going after who did it.

Actually it is and shows how silly you sound. He actually said to everyone "Wanted Dead or Alive" That actually sounds like he is suggesting others to find and take out this guy for justice. Hmmmmm sounds simlar. P.S. I lost an Aunt in the Trade Center Towers so be careful what you say next. Did  I have a problem with Bush saying that? No  in fact I was cheering like everyone else. But don't get it confused. People say stuff like that of all races when anger is involved.

[Pastor of Muppets]

NathansGal, on 24 March 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

I pray this goes well.....I don't want Americans to experience anything like in L.A. in the 90's.....

It was more than just L.A.  It spread across the country.  I remember the night we had trouble in  Huntsville because of it.  I was working in the mall at the time and we closed early(and a mall NEVER closes early) because of all the garbage that was going on inside and outside that mall that night.

[ams30721us]

NathansGal, on 24 March 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

Okay.....that does happen in this world....it's wrong and it apparently came to a head in February when that boy was murdered....I'm just very, very worried about countless protests when everything is now brought to attention and is being investigated....I'm telling you ams, it can get ugly when people with their hearts and emotions get into large groups...I don't care what color they are, all it takes is a few that don't care but want a fight and it's goes ugly fast.....now it's time to pray for those looking into this to do what's right and make the right decisions....no other groups, especially outlaw groups like the Black Panthers...

I'm afraid this boy's family will be used to make points instead to bring justice....


I pray this goes well.....I don't want Americans to experience anything like in L.A. in the 90's.....

I agree but again, No justice, Do you really expect tensions to calm...No way!

[ams30721us]

NathansGal, on 24 March 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

I didn't realize that was what he was comparing....

Very low blow AMS....play fair!

It is very fair and not a low blow its the facts and the truth.

[Stormlover]

ams30721us, on 24 March 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

Actually it is and shows how silly you sound. He actually said to everyone "Wanted Dead or Alive" That actually sounds like he is suggesting others to find and take out this guy for justice. Hmmmmm sounds simlar. P.S. I lost an Aunt in the Trade Center Towers so be careful what you say next. Did  I have a problem with Bush saying that? No  in fact I was cheering like everyone else. But don't get it confused. People say stuff like that of all races when anger is involved.

You are comparing a President vowing to go after the terrorists behind 911 to a group of thugs advocating vigilate justice? Wow. This can't get much worse.

Edited by Stormlover, 24 March 2012 - 09:13 PM.