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[Blizzard1]

Stormlover, on 23 April 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

They've overreached big time.

Maybe they hired Mike Nifong as a consultant?  

[xtreme weather]

Stormlover, on 23 April 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

They've overreached big time.

In the affidavit there is nearly NOTHING that points to where a crime was committed...the State from what has presented and what I feared see above post is "LACK OF EVIDENCE" I mean if anything this would HELP yes I said HELP Zimmermans defense.

.....and um also why is there no mention of the "other evidence" in the affidavit? Speaking strictly to the injuries and clothing of Z? It is not mentioned anywhere and if not mistaken and we all know it is the "whole truth and nothing but the truth" when presenting a case. Not what you want to be in the affidavit but everything in hand is in the affidavit. The state felt it was needed to bring up Z's past arrest but not all current facts known in the case??

Unless more is still out there this may never even get to trial...I can see why the police, DA and State at the onset said that all evidence pointed that he acted in self defense this is not me stating a claim but a FACT early on not until the Governor trumped and appointed a special prosecutor to re-investigate and mind you the media spewed all kind of misinformation to make more to the story than actually was there....I think manslaughter would have been the best route but hey JMHO.

I STILL SAY GO AFTER THE MEDIA STATIONS REPORTERS EDITORS ALL OF THEM AND CHARGE EVERYONE SINGLE ONE WITH CRIMES....otherwise and jmho this kind of crap will continue unabated and we already have a firestorm on our hands with MSM holding gas pouring it at will to inflame the public as necessary. To come back and same we're sorry for the mistakes is not good enough as more than likely in the end will not end well then they the media will be even more happy with "news" and the $$$ that follows.

......carry on

[Stormlover]

And by overreaching, they increase the chance of a not guilty verdict, and then an excuse by the thugs to riot.
Now this in Alabama. "Now that's justice for Trayvon"
http://www2.wkrg.com...ion-ar-3659891/

Edited by Stormlover, 24 April 2012 - 12:33 PM.

[Blizzard1]

Stormlover, on 24 April 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

And by overreaching, they increase the chance of a not guilty verdict, and then an excuse by the thugs to riot.
Now this in Alabama. "Now that's justice for Treyvon"
http://www2.wkrg.com...ion-ar-3659891/

Well the media is starting to get their crop of news stories reaped from the seeds they sowed with this case. I'm afraid that as the summertime approaches there will be more of this type of violence with a full blown bumper crop if Zimmerman is ever cleared of the charges. Now while Xtreme mentioned criminal charges relating to the media, I doubt there's much that can be done in that realm but some people need to start hitting them hard with civil suits then some accountability towards reckless and false reporting might be shown in the future.

[xtreme weather]

Also I wonder if the only eye witness of the altercation is being protected in some way....seemingly disappeared not long after was made public that his statement was in the file and signed/sworn statement

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"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Link for quote above...

Also FWIW while at the police station and hearing the tape initially Martin's father said that was not his son yelling for help on the 911 call and heard in the background but later recants and now claims that it was his son yelling for help. This will be a point of argument for attorneys as well I believe, but to be honest if possible Martins family will need to give something that has Trayvon's voice on it his voice mail, family video's or where he may have left a message/recording to compare his voice vs Zimmermans voice. Cause since the Martin family now says it is him after saying it wasn't and Zimmermans Dad (think it was) saying all along it was his son Zimmermans voice, let's be honest it is a 50-50 chance on who's voice it is actually screaming for help...

Also I listened to the 911 call placed by Zimmerman being a weather nut I was listening to background noises and at the 2:20 mark it is interesting to note you can tell Zimmerman voice changes and more choppy as he is jogging or running...then there is the wind noise on the cellphone that once the dispatcher tells Zimmerman "we do not need you to do that" at the 2:30 mark and by 2:44 mark the wind noise stops and Zimmermans voice is back to calm or like it was when the call was placed and no hesitation in voice or heavy breathing noted....so did Z actually stop as instructed turn around head back to his vehicle or was it that Z just slowed way down not running and happen to get in an area where the wind was not buffering sound in the background....

911 call


....carry on

[Stormlover]

xtreme weather, on 24 April 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Also I wonder if the only eye witness of the altercation is being protected in some way....seemingly disappeared not long after was made public that his statement was in the file and signed/sworn statement


Link for quote above...

Also FWIW while at the police station and hearing the tape initially Martin's father said that was not his son yelling for help on the 911 call and heard in the background but later recants and now claims that it was his son yelling for help. This will be a point of argument for attorneys as well I believe, but to be honest if possible Martins family will need to give something that has Trayvon's voice on it his voice mail, family video's or where he may have left a message/recording to compare his voice vs Zimmermans voice. Cause since the Martin family now says it is him after saying it wasn't and Zimmermans Dad (think it was) saying all along it was his son Zimmermans voice, let's be honest it is a 50-50 chance on who's voice it is actually screaming for help...

Also I listened to the 911 call placed by Zimmerman being a weather nut I was listening to background noises and at the 2:20 mark it is interesting to note you can tell Zimmerman voice changes and more choppy as he is jogging or running...then there is the wind noise on the cellphone that once the dispatcher tells Zimmerman "we do not need you to do that" at the 2:30 mark and by 2:44 mark the wind noise stops and Zimmermans voice is back to calm or like it was when the call was placed and no hesitation in voice or heavy breathing noted....so did Z actually stop as instructed turn around head back to his vehicle or was it that Z just slowed way down not running and happen to get in an area where the wind was not buffering sound in the background....

911 call


....carry on

Wonder why they say Stanford, when it was in Sanford? Just a typo I guess.

[Stormlover]

NBC has quietly fired Today show correspondent Lilia Luciano for yet another misleading edit to George Zimmerman’s 9-1-1 call. Interesting how they do all of this quietly, yet down own up loud and clearly about what they did.

[Stormlover]

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The new medical reports on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case tell us a lot. And it is not just for what they find, but also what they don’t find.

First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.

Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.

It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? The evidence paints a picture where Martin was the only person landing blows.

The broken skin on Martin’s knuckles and Zimmerman’s wounds obviously provide some justification for self-defense. But if Zimmerman is to have justifiably used self-defense, he can’t have provoked Martin’s attack.

The affidavit filed by the prosecutor against Zimmerman was extremely weak and had many glaring omissions. It does not answer the most crucial question: Who attacked whom? All it states is: “Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.” “Confronted” does not mean “provoked” or “assaulted.” It may mean that Zimmerman merely followed Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood.

Surely Zimmerman had the right to investigate a strange person in his neighborhood. But, in any case, Zimmerman simply asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood doesn’t give Martin the right to start striking him or pounding his head into the concrete sidewalk.

Simple words do not justify hitting someone.

Anyway, it appears that Zimmerman didn’t even question Martin. The 911 tape of Zimmerman reporting a strange person in the area indicates that Zimmerman didn’t even try to ask Martin a question.

When the police operator told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that [following Martin],” Zimmerman appears to have stopped following Martin and agreed to go to where the police would be arriving.

The medical evidence implies that Zimmerman did not physically attack Martin and thus there was no justification for Martin to start hitting Zimmerman.

With the case unraveling, it makes the prosecutor’s behavior look even more outrageous. The prosecutor wasn’t required to go to the grand jury for the indictment, but the fact that she didn’t in such a high-profile case is troubling. Everyone knows how easy it is for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to indict, because only the prosecutor presents evidence and the standard of proof is very low.

A grand-jury indictment would have provided political cover; that charges were brought without one means that the prosecutor was worried that even a grand jury would not give her the indictment.

The Obama administration has been fanning the flames, and it isn’t just President Obama’s attempt to personalize the tragedy.

News reports surfaced Tuesday that the US Justice Department was pushing hard to charge Zimmerman, who is part black himself, with a hate crime because Martin was black. Such a charge can carry a life prison term or even the death penalty.

Yet, Zimmerman and his wife mentored two black children for free.

A recent Reuters report that interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors found that both black and Hispanics viewed Zimmerman as someone who cared deeply about his neighbors and volunteered to head the community watch to help them.

The claim that Zimmerman referred to blacks as “f***ing coons” has long since been dropped.

Using this case for political purposes has already come at a real cost. In Gainesville, Florida; Oak Park, Illinois; Mobile, Alabama; Toledo, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; and possibly Norfolk, Va., blacks have attacked whites in what they think is revenge for Zimmerman attacking Martin because he was black, and those are just the cases where the perpetrators would make some comment such as “This is for Trayvon.”

The media has been partially responsible for this aftermath with its sensational reporting. Recent coverage has helped to balance things out, but responsible reporting requires still more.

Bottom line: the medical reports about George Zimmerman are revealing a lot more information than the media have so far let on.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1v4hJN2Aj

[silver_lining]

Stormlover, on 16 May 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1v4hJN2Aj

Do we need to prepare for riots?  

[Cyclogent]

And this is the same media that spreads misinformation for its political agenda while trying to spin everything Obama in a positive light...kinda scary.

[Stormlover]

Cops, witnesses support Zimmerman story

[ARCC]

At first I said that unless something came out in his defense, I would think Zimmerman was guilty. However, based on what has come out(and we still don't really know what happened) I would say that his side of events were more likley. Even if Zimmerman really is guilty, I don't see how they can get a conviction unless a really big bombshell drops in this case.

[Blizzard1]

Hmm, supposedly Zimmerman passed a polygraph the night of the shooting...

http://content.usato...fter-shooting/1

Of course we all know that is a lie! It was part of a random conspiracy by the Sanford PD to keep him out on the streets.

[Stormlover]

Trayvon Martin's girlfriend caught in big lie, under oath. Claimed she was in the hospital on the day of the funeral, but records prove she lied. There goes their "star" witness, who claims she was on the phone with him when it happened and what her story was.

Edited by Stormlover, 06 March 2013 - 06:25 PM.

[Blizzard1]

ams30721us, on 28 March 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Ha that is funny coming from you the one who is posting White Supremacist ptopaganda on this website trying to smear an innocent 17 yr old kid who was doing nothing wrong. But by all means keep protecting the guy with violent background.

Oh btw, for a guy being beaten within inches of his life maybe people should take a look at the video of Zimmerman from that night. Seriously....Who has had a broken nose? No blood all over the shirt or jacket? No marks anywhere...Yea...he really got his head beaten into the pavement several times...Guess we know now why he did not need medical attention that night.

Now here is a blast from the past post ^^^^^

I think there is very little doubt as to what happened that night at this point and I am wondering where all these FACTS are that we were given in previous pages about the Sanford PD and their conspiracy to keep Zimmerman free, yada. All one has to do is go back and see the painful lengths some of us went through to point out that much of what was being said was garbage yet over and over we were told it was fact. Not even close to fact.

[Blizzard1]

Here's an interesting read on the Zimmerman case...

http://www.americant...rosecution.html

[Stormlover]

Blizzard1, on 12 March 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Here's an interesting read on the Zimmerman case...

http://www.americant...rosecution.html

Shameful how the media, and many, including on this forum, jump to conclusions and then stick with it even when evidence shows otherwise.

[Blizzard1]

Stormlover, on 13 March 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Shameful how the media, and many, including on this forum, jump to conclusions and then stick with it even when evidence shows otherwise.

Yes. And the worst part is how time after time after time the opportunity was given to retract certain statements but it DID NOT MATTER. These alleged "facts" were totally ginned up and many people...good hard working, life risking, hero cops in particular from Sanford PD were totally lied about but again it did not matter. An inflammatory false political narrative was pushed to make a crying wolf racial point and that is VERY wrong. It's the type of thing that prevents legitimate instances of racism from getting their just and due scrutinization. My guess is that we would STILL not get a retraction either...

Edited by Blizzard1, 13 March 2013 - 05:07 PM.

[Stormlover]

So Treyvon's parents are getting $1.5 million from the Homeowners Association? Unbelievable