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[3340skywatcher]

Stormlover, on 20 February 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

You are joking about not knowing they have nukes aren't you? And they don't want to use one but if it means their survival, they would.

you learn something new everyday.....       Ever get that feeling when everyone knows something that you dont know, and after you find out you feel bad because it common knowledge and you have no excuse for not knowing. Yea thats me right now.  

[3340skywatcher]

Former U.S ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton on fox news today.some of the cliffnotes.
he believes the Obama administration is more afraid of Israel attacking Iran than they are of Iran getting a nuclear weapon.   

he said we are down to two options, 1.(and what he thinks is most likely) Iran gets nuclear weapons and becomes immune to attack,   2. Military action to end or slow the program. He went on to say "If your not prepared to use military force get ready for an Iran with a nuclear weapons, and beyond that get ready for Saudi Arabia, get ready for Egypt, get ready for Turkey, get ready for others"

Whenever you hear a reference to attacking Iran before they reach "Immunity" what thats reffering to is attacking Iran before they have nuclear weapons or are very close. Once they get nukes you can pretty much rule out any attacks.

Edited by 3340skywatcher, 21 February 2012 - 02:05 PM.

[vegaseagle]

Lets get this done with before the summer driving season. Geeezzz!!

[Robby]

Stormlover, on 20 February 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

You are joking about not knowing they have nukes aren't you? And they don't want to use one but if it means their survival, they would.

Israel proved in 1967 that they couldn't care less about what the rest of the world thinks when they feel as though their national survival is on the line. My greatest fear is that the moment Iran goes nuclear is the moment Israel launches a Jericho missile with a nuclear warhead towards Tehran. This isn't Palestinians throwing rocks here.

[3340skywatcher]

Robby, on 21 February 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Israel proved in 1967 that they couldn't care less about what the rest of the world thinks when they feel as though their national survival is on the line. My greatest fear is that the moment Iran goes nuclear is the moment Israel launches a Jericho missile with a nuclear warhead towards Tehran. This isn't Palestinians throwing rocks here.

couldnt agree more....   This could get ugly quick    best case scenario a "shock and awe" type campaign to severely disable nuclear production. If the world waits until Iran gets a "bomb" this could get out of control. The last thing we need is Israel and Iran throwing nukes at each other. and its not totally out of the realm of possibility that Russia and or China get involved.

[BlountWolf]

I don't know about that - there's a case to be made for the entire middle east being uninhabitable for a few thousand years. Just saying.

(Yes, it's just gallows humor, not serious).

[3340skywatcher]

BlountWolf, on 21 February 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

I don't know about that - there's a case to be made for the entire middle east being uninhabitable for a few thousand years. Just saying.

(Yes, it's just gallows humor, not serious).

[3340skywatcher]

So apparantly the U.N inspectors were not allowed into the most top secret plant the one that has always been in question.   Is anybody really shocked by this?    Sanctions and talking really are getting the job done huh?

John Bolton will be on fox news again today at 12:45 will post anything of value.

Edited by 3340skywatcher, 22 February 2012 - 01:35 PM.

[BlountWolf]

3340skywatcher, on 22 February 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

So apparantly the U.N inspectors were not allowed into the most top secret plant the one that has always been in question.   Is anybody really shocked by this?    Sanctions and talking really are getting the job done huh?

John Bolton will be on fox news again today at 12:45 will post anything of value.

If you get anything of value from John Bolton, I'll eat my hat. I'm not sure why people think it's a good idea to listen to the same folks talking the same thing about Iran that they did about Iraq - John Bolton is going to advocate attacking Iran ASAP, let me save you the drama.

[3340skywatcher]

John Bolton today
Says the reason our top officials are going to Israel is to make sure that he tells Obama he wont use military force. He feels that is unlikely and predicts an unpleasant meeting between the two march 5th  

Says Iran recents events prove this will not be resolved diplomatically.

[Stormlover]

3340skywatcher, on 22 February 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

John Bolton today
Says the reason our top officials are going to Israel is to make sure that he tells Obama he wont use military force. He feels that is unlikely and predicts an unpleasant meeting between the two march 5th  

Says Iran recents events prove this will not be resolved diplomatically.

I look forward to John Bolton being Secretary of State or other important position in the next admin.

[3340skywatcher]

Stormlover, on 22 February 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

I look forward to John Bolton being Secretary of State or other important position in the next admin.

would be a great add!!  

[3340skywatcher]

BlountWolf, on 22 February 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

John Bolton is going to advocate attacking Iran ASAP, let me save you the drama.

Nothing else is working, Iran obviously has no interest in talking to anyone or negotiating anything . The only reason they have these talks is to appease the Obama administration and the U.N. and buy just a little more time. Everything Iran is doing is a direct slap in the face to the world and making a mockery of all the sanctions. This is bigger than Iran getting a nuke if they succeed every other country in the middles east is going to get nuclear weapons, as unstable as relations are in that part of the world...... well lets just not go there....

[BlountWolf]

3340skywatcher, on 22 February 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Nothing else is working, Iran obviously has no interest in talking to anyone or negotiating anything . The only reason they have these talks is to appease the Obama administration and the U.N. and buy just a little more time. Everything Iran is doing is a direct slap in the face to the world and making a mockery of all the sanctions. This is bigger than Iran getting a nuke if they succeed every other country in the middles east is going to get nuclear weapons, as unstable as relations are in that part of the world...... well lets just not go there....

This all sounds eerily familiar.

Edited by BlountWolf, 23 February 2012 - 11:32 AM.

[Blizzard1]

BlountWolf, on 23 February 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

Thia all sounds eerily familiar.

Who is Thia?  

Anyway, if you are refering to Circa 2002/2003 Iraq, yep it probably sounds familiar. We need to render I'm-a-nutjob a non-threat in similar fashion as Saddam is no longer a threat. You guys on the left willfully suspend all case history of how evil and dangerous Saddam was. Sure there was a cost to get rid of him. There will be a cost to get rid of Iran's leaders and their nuke program as well. However as I have said ad nauseum, the price for letting them fulfill their desired goals would be MUCH greater! That's the reality of the situation.

[BlountWolf]

Blizzard1, on 23 February 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Who is Thia?  

Anyway, if you are refering to Circa 2002/2003 Iraq, yep it probably sounds familiar. We need to render I'm-a-nutjob a non-threat in similar fashion as Saddam is no longer a threat. You guys on the left willfully suspend all case history of how evil and dangerous Saddam was. Sure there was a cost to get rid of him. There will be a cost to get rid of Iran's leaders and their nuke program as well. However as I have said ad nauseum, the price for letting them fulfill their desired goals would be MUCH greater! That's the reality of the situation.

There are 74 million people in Iran. What do we do about them after we render their government a non-threat? This is not a simple question. What fills the power vacuum?

Edited by BlountWolf, 23 February 2012 - 11:39 AM.

[Blizzard1]

BlountWolf, on 23 February 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

There are 74 million people in Iran. What do we do about them after we render their government a non-threat? This is not a simple question. What fills the power vacuum?

The people who rebelled after the last "election" had a power structure somewhat ready to assume control. You didn't seem to have the same concerns when it came to Libya and Egypt last year. By the same token you should be concerned about Syria too and the power vacuum there as well. So does that mean we should just sit idly by and excuse inaction all the way to a nuclear Iran?

Besides, even out of 74 million people, all it takes is one nutty leader in Iran with a nuke and an itchy finger to send the region into irreversable chaos!

Edited by Blizzard1, 23 February 2012 - 12:34 PM.

[Stormlover]

Blizzard1, on 23 February 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Who is Thia?  

Anyway, if you are refering to Circa 2002/2003 Iraq, yep it probably sounds familiar. We need to render I'm-a-nutjob a non-threat in similar fashion as Saddam is no longer a threat. You guys on the left willfully suspend all case history of how evil and dangerous Saddam was. Sure there was a cost to get rid of him. There will be a cost to get rid of Iran's leaders and their nuke program as well. However as I have said ad nauseum, the price for letting them fulfill their desired goals would be MUCH greater! That's the reality of the situation.

that's what I want to know. I think i've heard of her, is she the puppet master behind putting this failure in the white house? Where is the investigative reporters on this?

[3340skywatcher]

Blizzard1, on 23 February 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Who is Thia?  

Anyway, if you are refering to Circa 2002/2003 Iraq, yep it probably sounds familiar. We need to render I'm-a-nutjob a non-threat in similar fashion as Saddam is no longer a threat. You guys on the left willfully suspend all case history of how evil and dangerous Saddam was. Sure there was a cost to get rid of him. There will be a cost to get rid of Iran's leaders and their nuke program as well. However as I have said ad nauseum, the price for letting them fulfill their desired goals would be MUCH greater! That's the reality of the situation.

We thought Saddam was crazy Ahmadenijad believes something about a "messiah" stepping out of a fish head, but it won't happend until a quarter of the worlds population is gone...... Is that someone that we really want to see get nuclear weapons   

[3340skywatcher]

According to the U.N. Iran is taking steps to increase there program underground in a mountain range to protect from any attack

[Stormlover]

3340skywatcher, on 23 February 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

We thought Saddam was crazy Ahmadenijad believes something about a "messiah" stepping out of a fish head, but it won't happend until a quarter of the worlds population is gone...... Is that someone that we really want to see get nuclear weapons   

Iran believes they need to cause world chaos to bring the fulfillment of prophesy as they see it. If people don't understand that, and just assume they will act rationally, they are missing the boat big time.

[3340skywatcher]

  couldnt agree more!

Stormlover, on 23 February 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

Iran believes they need to cause world chaos to bring the fulfillment of prophesy as they see it. If people don't understand that, and just assume they will act rationally, they are missing the boat big time.

[NorthGaWeather]

3340skywatcher, on 23 February 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

We thought Saddam was crazy Ahmadenijad believes something about a "messiah" stepping out of a fish head, but it won't happend until a quarter of the worlds population is gone...... Is that someone that we really want to see get nuclear weapons   

Fwiw, Ahmadinejad wouldn't be in control of Iran's nuclear weapons.  Khamenei is the man in charge.

[3340skywatcher]

NorthGaWeather, on 23 February 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Fwiw, Ahmadinejad wouldn't be in control of Iran's nuclear weapons.  Khamenei is the man in charge.

They're all crazy     The only difference from one to the next is like trying to compare different breeds of rattlesnakes   A country with leaders that are as nuts as they are with nuclear weapons....

[acral]

North Korea will act to protect their interests; whereas Iran will act on some obscure theological premise...  Hence, Iran is a threat.  Beside, noone really likes Persia anyway.  

[BlountWolf]

Quote

As U.S. and Israeli officials talk publicly about the prospect of a military strike against Iran's nuclear program, one fact is often overlooked: U.S. intelligence agencies don't believe Iran is actively trying to build an atomic bomb.

A highly classified U.S. intelligence assessment circulated to policymakers early last year largely affirms that view, originally made in 2007. Both reports, known as national intelligence estimates, conclude that Tehran halted efforts to develop and build a nuclear warhead in 2003.

The most recent report, which represents the consensus of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, indicates that Iran is pursuing research that could put it in a position to build a weapon, but that it has not sought to do so.

Although Iran continues to enrich uranium at low levels, U.S. officials say they have not seen evidence that has caused them to significantly revise that judgment. Senior U.S. officials say Israel does not dispute the basic intelligence or analysis.

U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb

Serious deja vu.

[3340skywatcher]

BlountWolf, on 24 February 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb

Serious deja vu.

Then what have they got to hide..... and why would they want to take "peaceful" nuclear operations underground? I smell a rat! The key is they dont believe, that leaves room for being wrong. This is one thing you you dont want to guess about

[BlountWolf]

3340skywatcher, on 24 February 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Then what have they got to hide..... and why would they want to take "peaceful" nuclear operations underground? I smell a rat! The key is they dont believe, that leaves room for being wrong. This is one thing you you dont want to guess about

I feel certain your rat sensing ability is above that of the consensus of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies.

[3340skywatcher]

The U.N, atomic agency is not so convinced Iran's actions are peaceful. Producing higher grade uranium, failure to give a convincing explanation about a quantity of "missing" uranium metal(the amount unaccounted for is large enough to be used for experiments in arming a nuclear missile.)
. On top of that kicking inspectors out of the country when they wanted to visit the most suspicious plants. If they have nothing to hide and are being peaceful   then they need to prove it. My link

Edited by 3340skywatcher, 24 February 2012 - 01:32 PM.

[3340skywatcher]

FWIW
Obama speech to (AIPAC), a pro-Israel lobby group.